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[Ellis Farrow responding to KIng Leonithis]
“This means that our Universe can come into existence from nothing and that in reality our universe is just another form of nothing! Kind of like when energy and matter are basically the same thing but in different forms. Also the definition of ‘nothing’ does not exist so far as we have discovered, our universe classically had a beginning we’ve proved that with loads of evidence from ‘The Big Bang’ because space-time didn’t exist at ‘time=0’ but in terms of Quantum Mechanics there is always a Quantum Vacuum with random fluctuations and our Universe can be eternal and most likely is.“
There are some very interesting points being made in this statement.
“space-time didn’t exist at time=0”
“our universe is just another form of nothing”
“Universe can be eternal and most likely is.”
These constitute a timely refinement of our understanding of God. One informed by the science of our times.
So, one wonders, why does it’s author not seem to adequately acknowledge the universality and potency of all pervasive infinitude.
Much fruitful inquiry and comprehension would surely follow. His or her skilful articulation and insight transforming “iron age” soup recipes into Golden solidarity.
Then we could all just get on with it.
For instance, how does the underlying “infinite” singularity pertain to awareness of Self?
[Paul Smith responding to the above.]
“Believing that the universe originated from nothing is no more difficult to believe than in trying to fathom something that has always existed and always will. The creator is always greater than the created. If your god is the creator then something had to create him. What created your god? What created that entity and so on? If there was no beginning and there will be no end, then there is no middle and no 750 billion years ago when the universe (didn’t?) began?
We don’t have the answers to those questions and that frightens us so we have, throughout human history, created deities in whom we could hide those scary unknowns. Christianity more closely aligns with logical human morality so it has lasted longer than most. I have no explanation of why a billion plus people follow Islam. Maybe you can explain that?“
“We don’t have the answers to those questions and that frightens us so we have, throughout human history, created deities in whom we could hide those scary unknowns.”
I will have to beg off inclusion in this particular “we”, that you describe. It is not fear, but rather awe, joy and respect that fuels my interest.
The intuition of enlightenment.
As for your reasonable statement:
“Believing that the universe originated from nothing is no more difficult to believe than in trying to fathom something that has always existed and always will.”
It for some reason, gets tangled up and resolves to:
“The creator is always greater than the created. If your god is the creator then something had to create him. What created your god? What created that entity and so on?”
This makes me think that I didn’t get the primary point of my previous comment across. It was that, the fundamental INFINITUDE underlying, pervading and sustaining creation, is the cause, explanation, and meaning of existence.
The individual links in the daisy chain of “ten thousand things”, is NOT where you look for understanding of this. But rather, in the singularity of it. (to reuse something I said elsewhere this morning), It is what THIS is made of.
The ponderous, and often primitive nature of organized religion, should be quite understandable to any social psychologist. The way forward as I see it, is to cultivate a self-resonant feedback loop between science and religion. If imagination fails, or habits of prejudice, prevent you from agreeing with me, perhaps you might take a look at the elegant simplicity of Zen Buddhism. Or, Zen anything for that matter.