The Winding Path – 167

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2015-08-19 08:33

Write4U – “If we have a definitive term for identifying the inherent (latent) abilities in all things, why do we NEED a still greater Motivational construct? Remember Ockham’s razor?

If you believe we must dig still deeper, then you will have to come up with a reasonable explanatin why Potential requires an yet greater (and presumably sentient) Causality.

What is it’s purpose”, how does it work, what are its (metaphysical) properties?

IMO, the word Universal Potential (in its most abstract interpretation) is as deep as one can go. Anything beyond that seems unnecessary in Physics. In subjective human terms (taking into account our desire for greater satisfaction) may be a factor but that would not be a universal property IMO.

I’m possibly splitting hairs. But, to me the term “Universal” implies post emergence, but if you also intend it to include primal infinitude (being referred to here as “truth”), then I’m good with it.

Since I never talk just in terms of physics, and as yet don’t think that I talk in terms of metaphysics either, I suspect that there actually are gaps in our understanding that may be hard to reconcile.

Per the above quote, I want to point out that I am not talking about a sentient causality (at least as you seem to think of it). But rather, that what you are calling “Universal Potential”, can as easily be seen in more theological terms as the “Universal I Am”. Or, God.

Going by either name, it permeates the entirety. In fact is the entirety.

My version of course requires more respect for the role of the “subjective in the scheme of things, and that is probably where we will find large areas of difference in our viewpoints.

2015-08-19 14:38

Drew Bekius – “It called me to ensure that my faith was presented in the most rational light, which forced me to make sure that my faith itself was rational.

Rationality is good and useful, as is Love.

2015-08-19 15:05

articulett – “Anything with no measurable qualities is indistinguishable from nothing-

The infinitude of singularity is measurable only within the relative terms of it’s emergent characteristic.

The Universe, including us; our thoughts and actions; This is God.

The theology that you ridicule is the comic book version.

2015-08-20 11:55

articulett – “…and before we had the scientific method, intuition and faith seemed like a valid method for figuring things out

Intuition and faith are still valid, and can now (as ever), be supplemented and refined by attention to the scientific method.

The degree that this takes place, is relative to the ability and intention of the individual.

Just as your “knee jerk reaction” to “faith” is relative to you as an individual. While others may find a heavy dose of irrationality in it.

Nothing about the situation indicates that science and theology are incompatible. Except perhaps as a personal obfuscation.

2015-08-20

Jared Prince responding to rambler – “So you say and so say the charlatans of metaphysics.

I do agree that we have free will but that is an argument independent of the validity of metaphysics.

What is metaphysics anyway?

All the definitons seem to come down to “the contemplation of the nature and purpose of existence“?

How can that be valid or invalid?

Like “free will”, the focusing of our attention upon it’s subject is part of the package.

2015-08-21 15:13

[Responding to the Patheos Blog – Squid – “From Where I Stand: Why Are Most People so easily persuaded to accept evolution over creation?” – by I.T. Dummie]

The emergence of God from the undefined and eternal void is the beginning of creation.

That primal awareness reflecting upon it’s own nature is the beginning of evolution.

In the (proverbial) blink of an eye, here we are. Here and Now.

2015-08-22 10:32

louismoreaugottschalk –
if it is as I’ve heard it said
one is in God’s image is
one’s act of contemplation upon one’s existance inspired?
‘know thyself’

jesus said:
‘if you see me you seen the Father’~JOHN14.9
was he the most perfected human?
in some inscrutable way
through the temple curtain that was torn
exposing the Holy of Holies
at the moment of his death by crucifixion
one can scarcely grasp
that the whole human race is now in Christ
supernaturally taken out of the empire system
and placed forever in safekeeping
in the new body prepared for one to occupy and serve
God and one’s neighboif it is as I’ve heard it said
one is in God’s image is
one’s act of contemplation upon one’s existance inspired?
‘know thyself’

jesus said:
‘if you see me you seen the Father’~JOHN14.9
was he the most perfected human?
in some inscrutable way
through the temple curtain that was torn
exposing the Holy of Holies
at the moment of his death by crucifixion
one can scarcely grasp
that the whole human race is now in Christ
supernaturally taken out of the empire system
and placed forever in safekeeping
in the new body prepared for one to occupy and serve
God and one’s neighbor via the companionship of the Holy Spirit.
Lemme lay this on you!
yay verily yay!r via the companionship of the Holy Spirit.
Lemme lay this on you!
yay verily yay!

But why point this at me?

Since the companionship of the Holy Spirit does not require any infrastructure.

2015-08-23 08:58

louismoreaugottschalk –
I’m not sure what you mean by infrastructure…
but as far as I know
the Holy Spirit is seen as part of the trinity,
is in some inscrutable way one with it
& therefore ‘first cause’ for everything.
I guess it would be fair to call that infastructure IMO.

Primal, and thus superseding any infrastructure imposed from our end.

Not dependent upon religions or science.

And yet knowable because it is our original nature.

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Alms and Patronage

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