The Winding Path – 120

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2015-03-12 09:49

fdgsr – “Do you get The All from the Gnostic Gospel of Truth?

“Getting” is an ongoing process.

But I like the sound of your question.

Read a little of you comment history and from that, found little reason to complain.

You lexicon is considerably more disciplined and abundant than mine of course. But I liked the following.

“Truth needs no verification, because it is true intuitively and actually.”

Existence and potential to exist is a priori in my book. God is the Entirety. All. Inside and Out.

2015-03-13 10:09

fdgsr – “brmckay Existence is impossible without the possibility to exist. It is possibility that is created by Truth. Though truth value is a factual distinction between true and false, Truth is a tautology. It cannot be false. Thus, if The God is Truth, there is no contradistinction. To say that Truth is not The God, is to reduce Truth to a fact that could be true or false. That is the confusion that permits atheist as a non-believer in Truth. If you stick to The Truth transcendent to all that is true (the claim of the essence of Islam in Qur’an) it is not possible that there is no God. Of course you would have to accept a static God as Truth unchangeable and truth value of false for facts you would want to believe as a potential of your reality.”

I was tracking you pretty well up to this:

“Of course you would have to accept a static God as Truth unchangeable and truth value of false for facts you would want to believe as a potential of your reality.”

Not sure what it means.

As for what is called “Creation”, I’ll usually refer to it in terms like “relativity”, “duality” or “perfect complementarity”. None of which alone gets us in the ball park of the “Real”. etc.

The paradox of “absolute/relative”, or “existence/non-existence”, or “infinite/finite” is the field of our experience. This hall-of-mirrors.

Primordial Infinitude as the undivided Singularity is changeless. Even non-existent (by way of our confused thinking). Nothing other than it’s Self. Truth.

Since Time is a characteristic of change, what I just called Primordial Infinitude remains in play. Completely accessible. Amen.

2015-03-13 11:30

fdgsr –“It is all in the horizon of our vision and comprehension. So long as our view is obstructed by the limitations of an assumption that we can know every detail as truth, we cannot comprehend truth as it is. Same for any construction of a concept of God as the Supreme Being of our own comprehension. We limit the Supreme Being to what we are willing to accept with self elevated to a position of dictation to the Supreme Being. Truth as it is is just that. We cannot restrict Truth, any restriction on Truth is already in place as Truth Supreme. If we could obstruct Truth as it is, we prove that it is not Truth Supreme, but a construct of our own. I do not do that. I allow Truth to guide me, obstruct me, and to obliterate me. I have no choice. I call all horizons to vision and comprehension ‘flat earth theories’ not absolute limitations on my own vision or the vision of a cooperative effort at science and theory of truth. Just view a Hubble field of deep space to see the effects of horizons of time and distance on our comprehension of what they mean. The red shift alone obscures what we could detect billions of light years since the light pixels were sent out by the images we now construct. The human mind is apparently unique in its ability to comprehend what we cannot see or sense in any way except by our own brain chemistry operating to see beyond our own comprehension and ability to construct a working model of truth and reality in our own minds. We are not unique in our ability to obstruct the light of reason. Most organisms live only to live, not to comprehend a reason or a purpose beyond the facts of life and sense perceptions distorted by the flat earth theories that are simplistic enough to excuse our frailty in the matter of a Supreme Being beyond our own visions of fact and material being. Now read this again and as often as you need to see around your own obstructions.”

Beautifully said.

Can’t tell if you liked my “Haiku” or not.

fdgsr responding to brmckay – “I like what I read from you. You seem to be where I was at about 50 and now near 87. You can take a giant leap forward that I never had the chance to do. All the encyclopedia available obscure more than they reveal. It takes a mind such as yours to see beyond the horizons and know that the earth is a distorted sphere, not a four cornered plane in space. Now subject the current ‘Big Bang’ to the flat earth comparison and see what you see. The Einstein theory of relativity was a kind of a flat earth theory that assumes a constant in the speed of light. I can show that the speed of light is co-dependent upon mass and varies with mass/energy as a variable relative that cannot seem to vary to anyone rooted in the faith in a constant as constant, not relative with all else relative to mass, distance and time. Even if the speed of light varies with mass it seems constant because if mass it increasing, decreasing, or staying static, the speed of light is co-relative with it, not a true constant except in its own relativity to relativity. ‘Haiku’ or iambic pentameter, I am a poet as well. Poetic art is to comprehend what non-poets cannot, or to philosophize what some philosophers cannot. Keep in touch.”

[I’ve included the following conversation between Kevin Osborne and fdgsr.  Kevin is responding to the first extended comment by fdgsr which I’ve repeated.]

fdgsr – “brmckay Existence is impossible without the possibility to exist. It is possibility that is created by Truth. Though truth value is a factual distinction between true and false, Truth is a tautology. It cannot be false. Thus, if The God is Truth, there is no contradistinction. To say that Truth is not The God, is to reduce Truth to a fact that could be true or false. That is the confusion that permits atheist as a non-believer in Truth. If you stick to The Truth transcendent to all that is true (the claim of the essence of Islam in Qur’an) it is not possible that there is no God. Of course you would have to accept a static God as Truth unchangeable and truth value of false for facts you would want to believe as a potential of your reality.”

 

Kevin Osborne responding to fdgsr – “Purely insofar as the construct of this place, light is the means to perception and therefore is supplied as a constant to allow perception to vary. Mass is bundled as necessary to create the illusion of reality and at the top end of light speed becomes the border of particle participation. Freedom as perception in time and space allows any viewpoint except the All. One must step outside to attain that.
I’m really enjoying your conversation with BR, I must step in when relativity mounts the stage.”

 

fdgsr responding to Kevin Osborne – “I wonder if you can substantiate your statements with more meat on the bones. What is ‘…the illusion of reality…’ and what are the ‘…top of light speed…’ ‘…border of particle of participation…’ and how does that relate to the horizons of perception, such as the curvature of the surface of the planet? What about the perceptions horizons in the sixth sense? The All, I understand as it was used in the Gnostic Gospels. You could go to the terms of point particle, occupied and unoccupied points in time and space, if you would. Explain the theory of relativity without the constant of the speed of light. Thanks for stepping in.”

 

Kevin Osborne responding to fdgsr – “All below is my opinion and can be taken as such.
Reality is what one chooses to see in this place. It is illusory in the sense that it is momentary and not the stream of existence it seems to be. We each create our own stream. Light speed is 186,000 miles per second and is considered the top speed for a particle in this universe because as a particle’s relative speed approaches the 186 it’s mass increases, to the point where at 186 it would contain all the mass in the universe. Since that is ‘impossible’ light speed caps all relative speed, so becomes the borderline in a sense between being inside and outside the universe. Things are round here to reflect how mass comes together, from observation that bends space due to the perception/creation machine we each have with God. There are occupied viewpoints in space and time but no unobserved viewpoints. Occupied space has mass, unoccupied space has very little because it has been ‘plumbed’ by our interest and creation into this spatial universe. Relativity can’t be explained, by me at least, without the speed of light since that is what relative speed is relative to. However one can say there is no absolute motion, that all particles seen as ‘one’ are in motion relative to all other particles and our observation of these particles is what governs our reality. A willingness to accept everything is real opens the doors to all reality, which is anything anyone could imagine.
I hope this helps.”

 

 

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