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MIchael E – I was an Evangelical for 40 years and a trained psychologist as well. I remember very well the point where the voice inside me stopped being real. I had spent several months in frantic research on the truths of the Bible which led to a horrific panic that it was all made up. I liken it to being married to a serial murderer and learning piece by piece about the evidence for my spouses guilt. Over and over I would rationalize away the data until it overcomes me in a giant wave. And once the wave comes over, everything that you have rationalized makes sense. And once you have reached that point, you can never go back. And at that point, the inner voice just goes out like a flame flickering out in the wind. The silence is deafening. When facing a tough meeting, the inner friend is no longer there. I described it to a friend as falling and falling with no bottom. For me, that took at least a year to get over. Occasionally I still miss that inner voice, but not that often.
Just sounds like the shoebox got too small and burst at the seams.
When you learn that Kindergarten is over, is the reasonable response to abandon school?
This may not apply to you but I think that Christians especially have a hard time moving to deeper levels of contemplation. The dualism of the creator god is so completely foundational to the religion. When it comes time for more direct experience of the Eternal Now, they have not been prepared. In fact probably preached against it.
Note: This is in response to a rather thickly worded discussion of Free Will.
Wow, a lot of over thinking. Obscures common sense.
Despite the relatively unexamined nature of Self, the spectrum of unconscious to conscious attention at play should be obvious.
If we are aware, or perhaps awake, as the Buddhists would have it, our will is unencumbered by karma, genetics or whatever. The secret to this however, is that the will in question is integral to the singularity. Inherent in all that is and all that is not. It is the nature of infinite potential.
On the other hand….
If the worldview is rigidly particularized, the finite sentience of the scientist will lean toward the mechanics of cause and effect.
Note: This is a response to an obviously dishonest internet scam for Jesus. It was being held up as a general example of how stupid and desceptive religious people are.
Like shooting fish in a barrel.
But then, what is a fish doing in a barrel in the first place? A fish worth it’s salt lives in the sea.
What does nailing this kind of nonsense prove?
Note: This is an attempt to summarize and resubmit a deleted comment. Sorry to belabor it. There of course could have been valid reasons for its exclusion.
Not sure who I offended with the following comment, but I’ll try again. The point that I was hoping to make is that humans have much more potential to engage with the Entirety than is habitually apparent. Both religious and empirical though have equal ability to help and to hinder. The Infinitude of the Singularity accommodates it all.
Dave Ucannottaknow – The fact that we remain imperfect and war-like is testament that no perfect god or gods created us – as you have likely experienced, excuses are given for this conundrum, but none of them ever make good sense. Our existence serves no higher purpose other than our continued existence, and if that isn’t enough then you may want to find a way of helping others improve theirs.
Without sincere enquiry into our relationship to infinitude, the above statement makes sense in a finite sort of way.
But, take Time for instance; It is not what it seems. There is only Now.
It is said to be the same with Self.
Close your eyes if it suits you, but consider that you have done so.